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Comment from Leo Notenboom on 2007-02-01

2007-02-01T19:53:41Z

I'm closing comments on this article because people are simply repeating over and over again the question that is in fact answered by the article.

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Comment from C on 2007-01-29

2007-01-29T17:28:37Z

The change took place about 6 months ago. If you had an account setup prior to that, it will still work. If you are just setting up your account, it will not work

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Comment from Kirt E. Stockwell on 2007-01-17

2007-01-18T01:19:41Z

Have had my laptop configured with the msn http since day one and it still works just fine. settings are
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata
could be that this only works for those who have an account that was set up prior to some unknown cutoff date. These settings by the way work where-ever I happen to connect.

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Comment from dave on 2006-12-28

2006-12-28T22:57:06Z

Just select http instead of pop3 when you are adding your hotmail account to outlook, it only asks for your email, user name and password, it then works.

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Comment from Billusa on 2006-12-28

2006-12-28T17:14:51Z

YES you CAN send MSN email from other domains -- you use SECURE.smtp.email.msn.com.

I've been doing it forever.

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Comment from Billusa on 2006-12-15

2006-12-15T18:27:37Z

Look, Leo... you need to change your article!

Accounts, called 'Valued accts' that are MSN.com and are free, and have been around forever, all use POP3 & SMTP. They WORK!

The servers are pop3.email.msn.com and secure.smtp.email.msn.com. They WORK -- I use them everyday and I don't pay one cent for my MSN acct.

Now, as to Vista. Vista breaks the SPA connection required for SMTP to MSN Hotmail servers. WIndows Mail (replaces OE) does not support POP3 for MSN or Hotmail accts. Right now it also does not support Canadian Sympatico.ca accts, which are also run on HOTMAIL SERVERS AS POP3 Accts! There is supposed to be a fix in the works for Sympatico by Jan 30th public RTM, but who knows.

Vista's SPA implememtation also breaks POP3/SMTP MSN access in Outlook 2003, 2000, etc. THOUSANDS and thousands are waiting for that to be fixed. Including me.

XP/MSN POP3/Outlook 2003 still works -- Vista breaks it.

Now, please update your article.

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Comment from travis on 2006-12-13

2006-12-13T11:57:26Z

There is a Hotfix that Microsoft has posted in order to correct the known issue with Outlook Express when one upgrades to IE7. I have installed it and Outlook Express is working properly once again; no more failing authentication.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/904942/en-us

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Comment from Danelle on 2006-12-10

2006-12-11T05:27:40Z

Just wanted to let you know that there IS a way to use Outlook Express. By using HTTP and the incoming server of: http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata it works for me!

Good Luck!

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Comment from warriorlion on 2006-12-03

2006-12-03T08:43:58Z

Gmail works fine for me with Outlook Express. I followed these instructions explicitly and was able to receive and send messages without difficulty.
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13276
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ctx=%67mail&hl=en&answer=12103
I hope this helps.

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Comment from Bob Thompson on 2006-12-02

2006-12-02T15:50:55Z

I read your article about Hotmail and POP/SMTP, and everything you say makes sense. I also noticed your recommendation to use Gmail for online SMTP. Just to let you know, I've had horrible results with this. I cannot currently configure Outlook or Express to use it, and there is no tech support. There is a forum, but good luck getting answers to questions.

So my next question is this. Like you said, you get what you pay for. How do I get a paid Hotmail account, is there detailed instructions on how to set it up, and is there support if I have issues with it? I think as we approach the second decade of the 21st century, I should be able to acccess email from a desktop email program (Outlook, etc.) from anywhere on the internet. Work or home. I'm willing to pay for it. Just tell me how/where to sign up.

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Comment from TekMann on 2006-11-29

2006-11-29T18:12:39Z

FYI everyone. I was one of those persons who decided to help MS out by using their Desktop Live and after two weeks, things going good for the most part, they uploaded security patches and upgrades, it crashed my entire explorer.exe program. I could not open up anything except through the Task manager. We tried everything under the sun, it did not work. No 'Start' button, no nothing. I had to purchase a backup, because it crashed my backup, too. I used the Apricorn from Aegis which worked very well to save all my important stuff and then had to re-install. FUN FUN FUN for all people who are so busy.

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Comment from Kris on 2006-11-28

2006-11-29T06:21:43Z

Well, Why bother with hotmail.. I use gmail, In gmail you can enable pop3 retrieval and with a few simple settings you can download your gmail in outlook express, outlook, mozilla thunderbird, whatever you want..

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Comment from zdig1 on 2006-11-10

2006-11-10T16:59:02Z

in the past i worked with hotmail since one week ago when http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp stop working in fact microsft want to stop outlook express to migrate to windows live mail desktop the new generation for vista but it still beta and not working so why they cut off the old server of hotmail untill this new one work and i think we are obliged to work with wen interface but i will sont work with hotmail coz outolokk express still support yahoo and gmail so microsoft u can do what u do like for ie7 is bery bad ie6 is better and mozilla is the best so stop doing this thing for marketin

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Comment from Greg on 2006-10-25

2006-10-25T18:43:42Z

The new Outlook 12 (in beta 2) auto cofigs when you enter an hotmail.com account and allows you to get your mail thru HTTP, also as mentioned above Windows Live Mail Desktop also allows hotmail thry HTTP easliy as youentering your email address alone. not a single value or bit of configuration is needed.

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Comment from Alex Orbell on 2006-10-14

2006-10-14T11:42:17Z

There is a free way to get hotmail on any version of outlook! when you set up an account go to HTTP account, fill in all you details but before you select "next" select from the drop down box "Other" server type. Type in:

http://oe.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata

and click next. and thats it!

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Comment from Tom on 2006-10-08

2006-10-09T02:21:18Z

Mona, I plugged in that pop3hot before reading far enough. After reading a little further I removed it. Does this 3rd party now have my info? Will I owe anything since I only had it plugged in for 30 seconds?

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Comment from metr on 2006-10-07

2006-10-07T10:34:47Z

Theres this new program called windows live mail desktop (beta) and it can be used to check mn hotmail, gmail, and it also imports (i think) existing accounts from outlook express. you need to sign up @ http://ideas.live.com/
(it sucks but works on a celeron)

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Comment from Tony on 2006-10-01

2006-10-01T13:40:30Z

Leo, I really think you should correct the information in this post. I was looking for the settings to fix an outlook express hotmail account that used to work. Your informatin led me to think that msn had withdrawn the service. In fact the status quo continues. The Criteria is simple: IF you have a hotmail.com account, you can download to outlook, if your account is the newer .co.uk etc type account then you can no longer download to outlook.

Setting up the account again, I discover the correct setting as already given in an earlier comment is:

http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

Regards
Tony

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Comment from Dave on 2006-09-30

2006-09-30T16:18:45Z

Dear Leo,

Apparently you shouldn’t be posting if you don’t know what you are talking about. If you are actually an MSN member you have a email account with pop3 and SMTP servers. They are pop3.email.msn.com and smtp.email.msn.com. What the person was referring to is there is a change in windows Vista that prevents the secure login to the pop3 server that works with previous versions of windows, which I my self am trying to find an answer to fix this.

Thanks for reading carefully

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Comment from Leo Notenboom on 2006-09-10

2006-09-11T02:58:29Z

Mona: in OE, hit the Tools menu, Accounts item, Mail tab, and click on the line that represents your hotmail account and then click on the Remove button.

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Comment from mona on 2006-09-08

2006-09-09T00:28:25Z

how can I remove hotmail from my outlook express 6 I now understand that I can't set up hotmail in outlook express but how do I get rid of it plus it give me these error measages each time I try to use it
Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'imap.aol.com (2)', Server: 'smtp.aol.com', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F

The service is currently unavailable. Try again later. Account: 'MSN', Server: 'http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata', Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: 'Service Unavailable', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCF0

Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'MSN', Server: 'http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata', Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: 'Service Unavailable', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCF0

Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'imap.aol.com', Server: 'imap.aol.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F

Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'imap.aol.com ', Server: 'smtp.aol.com', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F

can you help me.

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Comment from Chris on 2006-08-27

2006-08-27T11:10:03Z

You can use outlook, you have to set it to 'hotmail' in the settings and it works. It is not pop3/smtp but they do have a system.

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Comment from Eric on 2006-08-19

2006-08-19T19:54:18Z

I have had a msn pop email acount for years. Suddenly after installing vista I can no longer connect to the SPA server to download my msn mail to outlook. This still works on my xp machines so it is a security issue in vista that is disallowing the SP Ato connect to the msn servers. Any idea when / if this will be corrected?

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Comment from Mark on 2006-07-20

2006-07-20T13:42:17Z

Steve,

Just to clarify Leo said "There are no POP3 and SMTP servers provided by HotMail. None."

You are refering to settingup outlook as a webbased email account which is different from pop3. There is a difference. However, I would amend his statement to There are no POP3 and SMTP servers provided by FREE HotMail accounts. Clearly, they are provided for paid accounts as per the above posts.

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Comment from Mark on 2006-07-11

2006-07-12T02:53:27Z

Here is the PROOF that LEO is 100% CORRECT as far as outlook express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=878462
However there is a workaround as per MICROSOFT
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/234704/

But then microsoft officially states the following
This article describes how to connect to MSN, the Microsoft Network, e-mail accounts. Currently, MSN offers the following three types of e-mail accounts: • MSN Post Office Protocol version 3 (POP3) account. This is a fee-based account that also provides access to the Internet and many other member benefits.
• MSN Web-based account. This is a fee-based account that is available to MSN 9 Dial-up, MSN Premium, and MSN Hotmail Plus subscribers.
• Microsoft Outlook Connector for MSN. This is a subscription-based product that is currently available to MSN 9.0 Premium customers. Outlook Connector for MSN works in the background. With this product, users can use Microsoft Outlook to manage one set of communication tools such as their contact list, task list, e-mail inbox, and calendar in the office or at home. Outlook Connector for MSN is compatible with Microsoft Outlook 2002 and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 and has the following features: • 25-megabyte (MB) inbox
• 10 MB attachment
• 39 MB group storage

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/287604/en-us

Basically you may have a free account that works from past, however they are not currently avaliable and eventually you will not be able to download email for free.

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Comment from Stevo on 2006-07-11

2006-07-11T20:28:09Z

"So let me be extra clear:
There are no POP3 and SMTP servers provided by HotMail. None. There is no configuration for Outlook Express, or Outlook, or any other mail program that will let you download your email directly from HotMail for free."

Dude, you're wrong.

I've been using Outlook Express 6 (XP SP2 & XP Pro SP2) for Free HotMail for years! Whenever I have to set it up Outlook's Wizard even uses the reference for "name@hotmail.com". Under the account the server type is listed as http - with this address:
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

You're right about not being able to use it with Vista which sucks.

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Comment from Mark on 2006-07-11

2006-07-11T18:04:01Z

Here is the FINAL answer :) Right from the horses mouth

Customer Cannot Access Hotmail's POP Mail Retrieval Feature

CAUSE
A recent change to MSN Hotmail means users with a standard free Hotmail account are no longer able to use the POP Mail Retrieval feature. This means users of free Hotmail are not able to combine e-mail from other accounts into a single Hotmail account. However, MSN Extra Storage subscribers and MSN Internet Access subscribers with Web-based e-mail can continue to aggregate e-mail from other accounts into a single Hotmail account.
To see if you have Web-based or POP3 e-mail with your MSN Internet Access subscription:

You have Web-based e-mail if you:

• Use MSN Explorer to retrieve your e-mail
• Can access your MSN mail from: http://www.hotmail.com
• Have set up Microsoft Outlook 2002 or Microsoft Outlook Express to view your MSN mail
You have POP3 e-mail if you:• Have configured Outlook or Outlook Express to receive POP3 e-mail (and use SMTP to send mail)
• Cannot access your @msn.com account through http://www.hotmail.com
To switch from POP3 to Web-based e-mail if you are an MSN Internet Access subscriber:1. Install MSN Explorer from: http://explorer.msn.com (http://explorer.msn.com)
2. Log in to MSN Explorer.
3. Follow the onscreen instructions to convert your e-mail from POP3 to Web-based.
For more assistance, please go to: http://supportservices.msn.com (http://supportservices.msn.com).

IMPORTANT: If you are switching to Web-based e-mail, note:
• You must use Microsoft Outlook 2002 to view Web-based mail for MSN and Hotmail accounts. Earlier versions of Outlook do not support Web-based mail.
• If you are using Outlook Express 5 or 5.5, you can get more assistance in configuring your account from: http://supportservices.msn.com (http://supportservices.msn.com)

NOTE: If you are an MSN Internet Access subscriber using a free @hotmail.com or free @msn.com account to access your paid @msn.com POP3 e-mail, you are now no longer able to access your POP3 e-mail from your free account.

If you would like to keep your MSN Internet Access account configured for POP3 e-mail and use Hotmail to aggregate your POP accounts, consider signing up for MSN Extra Storage. In addition to POP Mail Retrieval, you will also receive:
• 10MB of MSN Hotmail storage - five times what you're getting today.
• The ability to send and receive larger attachments - up to 1.5MB per message.
• 30MB of MSN Communities storage - the perfect place to store photos.
• Exemption from account expiration policy - you'll never have to worry about losing your account.
Check your Hotmail Home Page for the "Get Extra Storage" link to see what is available in your market and for your local pricing.

If the "Get Extra Storage" link does not appear on your Hotmail Home Page, MSN Extra Storage is not currently available in your market.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327041/en-us

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Comment from Mark on 2006-07-11

2006-07-11T17:55:30Z

I need to clear up a misconception. Hotmail is not "blocking" POP3 rather they are turning them into webmail as opposed to pop3. They can change the accounts but would not change them on a free acount. However, if you have a paid account even extra storage or even software supplied by Verizon you could request your account be changed from webmail to pop3 as I stated earlier.

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Comment from Mark on 2006-07-11

2006-07-11T17:48:03Z

I agree with Leo other than the fact that you do have another option. You can add extra storage for 30 bucks a year. I use to support the MSN software. Often we had MSN accounts changed from webmail to pop3. You can request your account be setup pop3 as opposed to webmail. This does however require a paid account. If your carrier is verizon they offer the MSN software free which comes with 9 email accounts I believe. You also can request these accounts be pop3 as opposed to webmail. Isaac could use pop3 he just needs to contact technical support and they in turn will contact tierIII. Only tier III would be able to complete this request. If the technical support rep has no idea make sure to request tierIII.

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Comment from Dianne on 2006-07-11

2006-07-11T15:59:30Z

I just had to reinstall outlook express and it let me set up my hotmail to dump into it.

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Comment from Alisa on 2006-06-22

2006-06-23T00:16:25Z

Gmail sucks ass. Don't use it. They will disable your account for no reason and without notice. Also, when you try to contact them to ask why they disabled your account, they'll ignore you. You get an automated response, which means nothing. Don't use gmail. I repeat, don't use gmail.

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Comment from Birch on 2006-06-18

2006-06-18T11:14:37Z

Leo is correct. Outlook express is called "Windows Mail" in vista, and only allows adding POP3 or SMTP servers, and NOT HTTP servers.

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Comment from Leo on 2006-06-13

2006-06-14T03:29:51Z

Microsoft has been very clear that it is phasing out Outlook support for *free* Hotmail accounts. Your instructions may well work for paid accounts, but new *free* accounts will not, and old *free* accounts are being phased out.

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Comment from jim on 2006-06-13

2006-06-14T03:24:51Z

No offense Leo, but you don't know what you are talking about. If you have a hotmail account, outlook will fill the server info for you (http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp). But, here's how you set up msn.com with outlook:

In Outlook Express, click Accounts on the Tools menu.

In the Internet Accounts dialog box, click Add, and then click Mail.

On the first page of the Internet Connection Wizard, type your full name, and then click Next.

On the Internet E-mail Address page, type your full Hotmail/MSN address (name@msn.com).

On the E-mail server Name page, click HTTP in the My incoming mail server is box.

In the box My HTTP service provider is, click Hotmail or Other.

If the box Incoming mail server is displayed, type http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

On the Internet Mail Logon page, type your account name and password in the respective boxes. Your account name needs to be the full email address (e.g., name@msn.com).
Click Finish to add your MSN/Hotmail account to Outlook Express.

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Comment from Leo A. Notenboom on 2006-06-12

2006-06-12T16:51:17Z

Please read the article. It talks about pop3hot specifically.

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Comment from Ben on 2006-06-12

2006-06-12T13:27:46Z

Lady's and Gentlemen, i think you'll find this comment one of the most interesting. All the above information about you not being able to get access to your email accounts at all (or if its a new account is a load of rubish.

I have managed to find all the sever settings to recive and send E-mail through the hotmail servers.

the details i use are as follows

Incoming Mail Server (pop3) --- pop3hot.com

Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP --- mx1.hotmail.com

I hope the above settings will help those in need, if not check out the following link.

http://www.e-eeasy.com/SMTPServerList.aspx

This lists the majority of known email servers ans there are a couple of options to chose from with regards to your hotmail accounts..

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Comment from sabs on 2006-06-12

2006-06-12T07:42:59Z

Hi all, I have been trying this topic for long time but now I came to know one thing... I had a hotmail account before which was working with Outlook and O Express without any extra setting just with http://... mail. But for some password reasons my account was blocked and I dont remember my secret question and answer and I was forced to sign in for a new hotmail account and this account doesnt work with any of the mail clients.

So I came to a point where I understood only old hotmail accounts workin with email clients and not the new ones...

If I am wrong please correct me ... in case this piece of information brings you some new ideas please let me know... thank you all...

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Comment from Ben on 2006-06-10

2006-06-10T12:42:50Z

I can confirm the "long-time user of Hotmail" Simon mentions - I still download my email for free into Outlook (not Outlook Express).

I don't think you do need to pay Yahoo for POP access (again, I use it and I don't pay).

In the UK at least you have to agree to receive marketing emails (as a Yahoo! Delivers member) and then you just deselect all the different marketing categories!

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Comment from Sue on 2006-06-09

2006-06-10T02:31:08Z

Perhaps I have a unique situation. I had a pop3 account with MSN... when I went to DSL I had to close it and move to QWEST, and with their cheapest account there is no email account. My @msn account turned into a hotmail account but I retained my @msn address. For a while I couldn't use either Outlook 2000 or 2003, just hotmail online, then one of msn's nice techs slipped while helping me with another problem and told me how to configure my email account and now I can download to both Outlooks on my laptop and desktop. My notes say that my settings are as follows:
GENERAL:name, email address, pop3.email.msn.com, check the "include this account when receiving mail or syncronizing" box.
MAIL SERVER: pop3
INCOMING:pop3.email.msn.com
OUTGOING: smtp.email.msn.com
ACCOUNT NAME:mine
PASSWORD:mine
check boxes:REMEMBER PASSWORD, LOG ON USING SECURE PASSWORD AUTHENTICATION, MY SERVER REQUIRES AUTHENTICATION
SETTINGS: check USE SAME SETTINGS AS MY INCOMING MAIL SERVER
CONNECTION: check CONNECT USING MY LOCAL AREA NETWORK [LAN]
ADDVANCED: SERVER PORT: outgoing stmp [25], incoming pop3 [110]
check MY OUTGOING SERVER [stmp]REQUIRES AUTHENTICATION
LOG ON USING my name and password, check LOG ON USING SPA

Depending on your service provider something similar to this 'might' work for you. It may work because I did have an account with MSN for a long time before I got DSL, but the tech said, "Oops, I'm not sure I was supposed to tell you that." It has been over a year and I have had no problems after I set Outlook as my email program in IE, and told WORD to edit my email. Good luck... Sue

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Comment from Leo A. Notenboom on 2006-06-09

2006-06-09T17:52:26Z

Using Outlook Express or Outlook you should be able to configure an account using "http" protocol instead of pop3.

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Comment from Leo on 2006-06-06

2006-06-07T00:01:10Z

"Are you saying there is nothing I can enter into my "mail server" for incoming mail for my hotmail account?"

Correct. There is nothing FREE that you can enter. You can upgrade to the paid version of hotmail and use Outlook Express. Or, there are third party services that you can use, but they also cost money, and you must give your account information over to them.

HotMail is a *web based* mail server. It's not designed for downloadable mail.

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Comment from Denise on 2006-06-06

2006-06-06T23:25:00Z

I swear I have read this article (as well as many of the related posts.) I must be an idiot because I am still confused!! :) Are you saying there is nothing I can enter into my "mail server" for incoming mail for my hotmail account?

I have tried every combination of "mail.hotmail.com, pop.mail.hotmail.com, www.hotmail.com, pop.hotmail.com...etc etc you get the picture... )

I also tried to figure out where I can see on my hotmail account, or actual computer I have it set up now.

(I need to set up my hotmail address as the reciever of daily email from a website, but so far everything I have tried has failed.)

Thanks!! Denise

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Comment from Simon on 2006-06-06

2006-06-06T18:58:52Z

One correction - all the above only applies if your Hotmail account is relatively new (created at some point more recent than something like a year before they blocked access from Outlook). If you have an older one, you got an email from Hotmail Member Services saying that as a "long-time user of Hotmail" you get to retain downloading priveleges. I have a couple of Hotmail accounts from 2002 which I never use for anything important any more, but still work in Outlook. So if you've had the account for a while, it's worth a try.

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Comment from Dik Heikoop on 2006-06-06

2006-06-06T10:16:30Z

Please take a look at the Hotmailpopper program.
Can I use that without problems in OE ?

thanks
Dik Heikoop

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Comment from Greg Bulmash on 2006-06-05

2006-06-06T05:27:13Z

One thing you didn't mention about pop3hot: I'm assuming that to access your hotmail through them, you have to give them your hotmail login and password. In many cases these are the same as your "microsoft passport" login and password.

Basically, for the privilege of getting your Hotmail by POP3, you're giving some unknown company in Belgium the ability to impersonate you, which they are then doing to be able to download your mail from hotmail and provide it through a POP server.

Forget Microsoft catching them and killing your account. Think about an unscrupulous employee there or a hacker who gains access to their servers using your account for nefarious purposes, using information you freely provided.

Yahoo used to have POP access too, but they moved that over to their paid service. Currently the two big-boys who offer non-web access with free accounts are AOL's AIM mail, which I access by IMAP (I'm not sure if POP is available) and Google Gmail, which offers POP access.

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