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Comment from Thomas A.W. on 2009-11-15

2009-11-15T19:26:20Z

(Forgot to line it up correctly, please delete previous comment).

I have a 112 GB harddrive with a whole BUNCH of files that won't be defragged. See the list beneath.
Now, you say it's not a big issue, and that it's nothing to worry about. Good to hear!
But is that also so, when the files makes up about 60-75% of the hard disk capacity??? This one has bugged me like hell for quite some time..

The list:
Fragments File size 3.631 289 MB 3.605 321 MB 4.560 387 MB 4.321 461 MB 4.094 467 MB 4.165 478 MB 4.175 539 MB 5.160 564 MB 5.088 595 MB 4.426 596 MB 5.269 601 MB 5.478 642 MB 5.735 673 MB 6.829 692 MB 5.095 700 MB 4.632 720 MB 5.312 727 MB 6.172 804 MB 7.064 861 MB 9.975 1.001 MB 4.647 1.009 MB 7.217 1,03 GB 7.694 1,11 GB 10.040 1,23 GB 18.606 1,32 GB 9.903 1,45 GB Files that can't be defragged
\Programmer\Valve\Half-Life\valve\pak0.pak
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Red Alert 3 Uprising\Data\EnglishMovieAudio.big
\Programmer\eMule\Temp\012.part
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\The Battle for Middle-Earth\W3D.big
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\The Battle for Middle-Earth II\Textures2.big
\Programmer\SpellForce\SpellForce 2 - Shadow Wars\base\pak\sf2_base06.pak
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Command & Conquer 3\Core\1.0\WBData.big
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - Direct Action\datamaps.dat
\Programmer\LucasArts\Star Wars - Empire at War\GameData\Data\Models.meg
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - High Treason\Data_G1.dat
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Command & Conquer 3 Kane's Wrath\Core\1.0\WBData.big
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - High Treason\DataM2.dat
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - Direct Action\datag2.dat
\Programmer\eMule\Incoming\Scat A Slut Slave Girl Eat Shit N Drink Piss (Caution It's Hard).mpeg
\Programmer\eMule\Temp\009.part
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Red Alert 3 Uprising\Data\StaticStream.big
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Red Alert 3\Data\EnglishMovieAudio.big
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - High Treason\DataM1.dat
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - High Treason\DataVInterface_Part01.dat
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\The Battle for Middle-Earth II\W3D.big
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Command & Conquer 3\Movies\1.0\Movies.big
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - High Treason\Data_G3.dat
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Red Alert 3\Data\WBData.big
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - High Treason\Data_G2.dat
\Programmer\Electronic Arts\Red Alert 3 Uprising\Data\WBData.big
\Programmer\Atari\Act of War - Direct Action\datag.dat

How much fragmentation really affects performance depends on several things. Large files with a few fragments - you'd likely never notice. Files that are accessed infrequently - ditto. The files you care about are the ones that you access a lot - any by a lot I mean a lot within the span of a few seconds. A lot of people spend a lot of time looking for perfect defragmentation only to find that once they get it it made little or no discernable difference. "Mostly defragmented" is typically good enough. That being said the best way to maximize defragability is to clear out as much space on the disk as you can before defragging. Some system files won't defrag, but more space means the larger files are more likely to. Empty temp files, empty browser cache, and give it another whirl.

16-Nov-2009

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Comment from BarbaricFellow on 2009-11-10

2009-11-10T12:01:37Z

Either paste and copy the file in the same place again. OR..look at the file's properties for something like "this file is from another computer and is locked" Its rare but happens once in a while with downloads from certain sites (or copies of the file)) Then unlock it and all is ok again.
After 6 years of using Diskeeper these are the only "tricks" I needed to know.

(XP pro servp.3)

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Comment from Apocalypse-r on 2009-07-01

2009-07-02T06:15:31Z

theres a tip you can use to help force a file to defrag. it works with any reasonable small (less than about half your remaining space) file not locked by the operating system, even the most severely fragmented (3000+ fragments per 100 megabytes) files. If you have already run the windows defragger, it will at least have made some attempt to group free space together, even if it cant get all the files. So, you copy and paste the file into the same folder. This will force the OS to allocate space for another file, and it will choose the largest spaces available. It will then assemble the fragments of the original into the large spaces it allocated, which (barring the most severe of space shortages and file fragmentations) will usually drastically reduce the number of fragments in the copied file. When the copy is finished, delete the original and rename the copy to what the original was called. This will often jump start the defragger should you decide to run it multiple times, because it will no longer choke on the heavily fragmented ones at the top of the list (which you did this to =])

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Comment from colleen Wright on 2009-02-17

2009-02-18T01:14:13Z

is there a way to reverse the defrag?? i did a defrag yesterday and now my computer wont play sound and some files are missing???

Nope. And besides, a defrag doesn't do anything that would result in those behaviours. I suspect you have other issues at play here. Might be time to run a CHKDSK on your hard drive, for example.

- Leo
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Comment from Robert Newbold on 2008-11-28

2008-11-28T16:21:01Z

How do you consolidate the system files so you have larger free contigous space on your drive?
It is impossible for my page file to be in a single fragment because I have unmovable system files scattered over the disk. I have jkdefrag, contig and pagedefrag. I also have format but I'd rather not use! It's not very important but I'd like to know how.

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Comment from ali sherif on 2008-11-01

2008-11-01T19:10:12Z

i have windows xp .i clicked MY COMPUTER then SHARED DOCUMENTS and opened .nothing happend !!

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Comment from Jimmy Moore on 2008-10-24

2008-10-24T18:44:22Z

I have 57.23 gigs total on my NTFS,hard drive with only 13.24 gigs, (23%) free space. There's an enormous amount of fragmented files, (about as much as total contiguous files and unmovable files combined.) Up until a few weeks ago, when I defragged, I got a pretty clean slate and had plenty of free space, but the fragmented file(s)started growing and has continued to grow and my free disc space has dropped from 34% down to the current 23%. I've checked and none of my files are in use by another user,entity, etc. I've exhaused my defragging efforts and my question is - What happens when I run out of space? Is my computer going to lock up or what? Thanks, Jimmy

Fragmentation is not related to free space. In you case I would absolutely investigate where your hard disk space is going, but focusing on fragmentation is not going to get you there. I would have you start with this article: Where's my disk space going?

- Leo
25-Oct-2008

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Comment from Jim Rowbottom on 2008-09-21

2008-09-22T03:05:12Z

I'm getting the same "some files would not defrag" message. However, my concern is that I have a huge amount of fragmented files and Windows XP keeps saying I still need to defragment. I have some very big audio recording files and I'm wondering if they're just too big to fix. Also, I'm using Norton System Works Speed Disk to optimize and it's taken days just to move 10% of the files. Should I move some of the files to my other drive and try to defragment a little at a time? I'm moving pretty slow in that drive and I need to be fast in the studio. Thanks for all your great advice, keep it up!

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Comment from Eternalbodom on 2008-09-08

2008-09-08T21:32:30Z

I installed MS XP SP3 upon virtual PC over Vista, the Virtual PC has Elastic virtual Hard drives, and all the files within the .vhd are less than 1.5gb, neverthenless, the .vhd weights about 3.5gb, I defragged it, i notieced most of the files were nicely aranged one next to other excepting some small pieces over there.
At sight I saw the space between most of the files and the small files over there was a bit more than the space used by most of the files, that makes me think, if I defragged those files, the page files, I may reduce the .vhd size about 1.5gb!, so, I need a Defragmeter thet defraggs it all.

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Comment from Tom on 2008-09-06

2008-09-06T12:19:46Z

You have some good advice, Leo. My hats off to ya!

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Comment from Leo on 2008-07-17

2008-07-17T17:22:45Z

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".zip" files defrag just fine. Defragging doesn't apply to
the files within a .zip.

Some files won't defrag typically because they're too big,
or perhaps because they're exclusively locked by an
application or by the operating system. For example normal
defrag programs cannot defrag the paging file - that
requires extra steps (and it's typically not worth it
anyway.)

Leo

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Comment from Penny on 2008-07-17

2008-07-17T13:18:32Z

Zipped files won't defrag. That was the problem when I was getting the same message. May be something to look for.

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Comment from Luke on 2008-07-17

2008-07-17T07:56:28Z

Hi there!

I use the windows disk defragmenter on my XP. It only gets to 40% and then comes up with that error message saying that some files could not be defragmented.
I recently reformated my harddrive (as it was running too slow) and i got this message before (and after) the reformat.

I have 50% (35Gb) free space on my hard drive...

Can you offer any advice?

Cheers!

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Comment from Russ on 2008-06-27

2008-06-27T23:41:45Z

This is great information, but my issue is slightly different. Yesterday, for the first time, I got the message that some files did not defrag, but NO FILES were listed in the log. In the past, when a file did not defrag, it was listed and I was able to resolve it. Did another defrag today, same issue. Thanks.

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Comment from Leo on 2008-06-24

2008-06-25T00:46:47Z

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I would ignore it. The effect of having that one file
fragmented are nearly neglible.

Leo

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Comment from Jerry Spinazzola on 2008-06-23

2008-06-23T22:28:37Z

My Sony desktop has always defragged using the XP home utility until only the past month or so, when I got the "Some files did not defrag" message" and worse, since the report box, which is made not to be maximized in size showed only the start of the file path: \docs & settings\name etc. which is all I could see. Printing didn't help, but after saving the report I found that the stubborn file is a db file used by Google Earth. The full path is Documents and Settings\MyName\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\GoogleEarth\dbCache.dat. In the past I have always done a disc cleanup followed by a empty recycle bin, then a defrag, which has worked fine. My 80G drive is partitioned C/D from the factory with most space on D due to "Click to DVD" software and the OS is on the 13.97G of the C drive, which had 21% free (3.03G) space the 1st time I got the files not defragged message (and 17% now), which seems to be enough space to double copy the largest file. The report says the Google file is 395Mb, 105 fragments, and the timing seems to coincide with a recent updating of Google Earth to a new version. Windows Explorer shows a 409.6Mb dbcache.dat file & another smaller 2Mb index file. I have an external 250G backup drive also. So, my questions are: Should I uninstall/re-install Google Earth? Is there another available defrag utility I can use if the PageDefrag utility above won't (will this work-don't think this file is a paging file?); and will it work on a file of this type? Or should I ignore the issue, since it seems the only slow-down would be when using Google, which does seem to run more slowly even though I have FIOS internet?

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Comment from Ruud van Gaal on 2008-04-08

2008-04-08T15:49:34Z

The hint for PageDefrag is reason enough alone for this article.
Almost 10 years ago, I had a bunch of SGI O2's where a defragger would be active around 3am-5am. It would start, defrag, then remember where it was for the next day. Things like this should be part of the OS; it really helps your system's speed and Microsoft would be better off with some good news about their currently flaking OS. ;-)

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Comment from Leo A. Notenboom on 2008-04-03

2008-04-03T21:18:57Z

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First, I don't believe that defragging really shorten's the
drive's life appreciably.

That being said, I did drop back to once a week, just
because nightly defragging was of little benefit.

Leo

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Comment from Chris on 2008-04-03

2008-04-03T18:53:59Z

I'm surprised that you recommend defragmenting your hard drive every night. Do you WANT your hard drive to die from all that extra work? Once a month, or even 3 months is PLENTY.

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Comment from liascos on 2008-01-24

2008-01-25T07:11:15Z

my xp craptop wont even start to defrag at all.
60 gig drive with 17 gigs free.
but the analize and defrag buttons are dead.

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Comment from Leo A. Notenboom on 2008-01-22

2008-01-23T01:58:23Z

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Wow... that's a big file. 45gig on your 111gig hard drive..
that one file is taking up nearly half your space. Yes, I'm
not at all surprised that the file wouldn't defrag.

There's no way for me to know whether its fragmentation is
responsible for your system slow down - that depends too
much on how you use your system and what else is running
on it.

And what it is one does with a 45 gigabyte file.

Leo

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Comment from Joe on 2008-01-22

2008-01-22T18:38:52Z

Yes, I read the article, but still unsure where my problem, "based on its size" fits in.
I have an IMAGE file that won't defrag that consists of 16,583 Fragments and its size is 46,023 MB. I have a 111 GB drive with 48% free space. Can this be a major contributor to why my machines are running slow? If so, what can I do to fix it?

Thank you,

Joe

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Comment from Mack leyland on 2007-12-20

2007-12-20T18:19:49Z

My C drive , which contains the operating system and all programme files will not defrag, I can acces the defrag menu but once I select defrag it hangs at 15% there is 19GB free space on that drive.

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Comment from Bobcat on 2007-10-15

2007-10-15T14:48:22Z

Leo's explanation is correct : the available free space has to be atleast twice the size of the largest file to be defragmented. So the actual percentage of free space is not the only factor, but the size of the fragmented file is important too.

There are also some system files like the Master File Table (MFT) that cannot be defragmented by the windows defragmenter, but requires a third party utility. While defragging some of the other system files may not be important, the MFT and paging files need to be defragmented for the best performance. Essentially, defragment the 'normal' fragmented files and the MFT, and you're all set.

I use an automatic defragmenter that defragments my 3 drives as and when necessary quietly in the background, so remembering to defrag or scheduling one for late nights is not a factor. I like it much more than the old conventional manual defrag or scheduled defrag because it automatically and intelligently tackles fragmentation in the background, without interrupting my computing. And I dont waste *my* time defragging 2x160GB and 1x 250GB worth of drives..

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Comment from Leo A. Notenboom on 2007-10-11

2007-10-11T22:23:01Z

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Apparently you didn't read the entire article. There are more reasons listed
there than just disk space.

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Comment from Drakonis on 2007-10-10

2007-10-11T05:19:41Z

Did NOT answer the question.
The built in WinXP defrag won't run period without 15% free space. But even then, some files won't defrag. That is the question to which no answer was given. 10 gigs on a 60 gig hard drive is more than enough for a defrag..yet some files will not defrag. for example.

This article was a waste of my time....

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Comment from Lil Brat on 2007-09-06

2007-09-06T07:05:52Z

I cannot defrag my C: drive because the files that need to be defragmented are no longer in my computer (so i think)... A lost file (recovery was done) to obtain deleted files after a master reboot was done. (not by me ) lol... anyhow I cannot delete these files so I cannot defragment them either. My Hard drive says I have space available but when i go to defrag. there is blocks of red fragmented files that wont defrag so it is lagging my computer... Any help on how to remove these files will be appreciated...I have 31 % of free space but I shoud have 100 GB free...The files that are stuck are jpg's and mov files... can anyone help me ? I have windows XP Home Edition

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Comment from mercgal on 2007-08-19

2007-08-19T18:36:48Z

The following file won't defrag f28ebf0cde5a4d16a78b376afd10a98c.sdf
Can anyone tell me if this is safe to remove? It is found in the Docs & Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\eHome\EPG\
Thanks for any help.

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Comment from Joseph on 2007-08-06

2007-08-06T20:24:02Z

What would cause files not to defragment is not the lack of free space because i have 79% of free
space and my computer is slowing down more and more everyday what should i do!!!

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Comment from greg on 2007-05-06

2007-05-06T23:14:00Z

My laptop will not defragment at all. I am running XP. I start the defrag and nothing happens. Can you help?

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Comment from Carrie on 2007-05-02

2007-05-02T09:24:41Z

I have tried everything to defrag my XP laptop E drive which is the recovery drive..it is down to 6% which is too low. I deleted a ton of games and empieted the trash bin. Nothing happened. Can you help and is my computer going to crash?

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Comment from THOMAS BUCKLEY on 2007-04-26

2007-04-26T15:38:42Z

i have 37% free space on harddrive, but a lot of red fragmented files that won't defrag,is there any way i can get rid of most of these

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Comment from carl on 2007-02-26

2007-02-26T22:44:02Z

all my system files are evreywhere any way to move all system files into 1 chunk?

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Comment from ryan raven on 2007-01-06

2007-01-06T12:07:43Z

i know this has nothing to do with what we are talking about but im buying new motherboard woth a LGA775 socket will my 478 fan fit? and if u want good performace with diskeeper buy perfect disk as well and do loads of reboot times with it.

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Comment from Charlie on 2007-01-05

2007-01-06T04:02:38Z

Sorry Leo I forgot to add Ihave 87% free space

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Comment from charlie on 2007-01-05

2007-01-06T03:59:54Z

Thanks for the info Just one question. I have a red line as well can broadband be the cause.Will a virus do it. (sorry thats two)

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Comment from art on 2007-01-04

2007-01-05T05:38:56Z

Do nothing. Blue chunks is what you want. That there are spaces between chunks means nothing.

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Comment from joe holes on 2007-01-03

2007-01-03T16:20:55Z

i have a bunch of blue files scattered in large chunks and they wont seem to move closer together in one big chunk any ideas?

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Comment from ryan raven on 2007-01-03

2007-01-03T16:19:33Z

how can i remove resered system space?

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Comment from Leo Notenboom on 2007-01-01

2007-01-01T21:00:17Z

Your question is answered in the article you just commented on.

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Comment from ryan raven on 2007-01-01

2007-01-01T20:56:53Z

how do i defrag system files?

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Comment from sacred on 2006-08-03

2006-08-03T14:55:43Z

delete all restore points and try defragging again :D

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Comment from frank pearce on 2006-07-05

2006-07-05T22:39:19Z

just did a defrag and this file wouldn't defrag.....\system volume information\restore{12920...... what does it mean wasn't like it a few days ago help thanks

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Comment from dave on 2006-07-02

2006-07-02T20:55:08Z

ooops, sorry, i meant "as Leo says" mahbad!!

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Comment from Dave on 2006-07-02

2006-07-02T20:52:30Z

Sometimes the easiest solutions are the best. Try defragging in "safe mode" and turning off your screensaver. Altho, as Dave says, you have to have enough free space on your harddrive for the defragger to work right.

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Comment from Carl Goodwin on 2006-06-30

2006-07-01T04:11:15Z

I just reformatted my hard drive, and my machine says the same thing when I defrag after all my programs are re-installed. Funnily enough though, there are no programs in the list of "un-defragged programs", even though it says to look in the list!

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