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Copyright is a complex topic, but the practical implications are often very simple. I'll look at availability and copyright and more.

I want to be able to copy VHS to DVD via my PC. Your site answers all the questions except One. As 99% of my VHS tapes have copyright restrictions. Is there a device I can obtain that will allow me to copy these tapes? As most of these movies are now 'out of production' and unobtainable I do not see copyright as an issue.

I've been getting a lot of questions about copyright lately, most commonly relating to a lot of confusion around bittorrent.

But as this question shows, copyright issues come up in other forms as well.

Now, I need to be super clear: I'm not a lawyer. Never have been, and I don't plan to be one. This is not legal advice: use at your own risk, no animals were harmed, some objects may appear smaller, yadda, yadda, yadda.

That being said, what follows is my pretty clear opinion which I believe to be relatively accurate.

Copyright is most definitely an issue.

Just What is Copyright?

Copyright simply says that the person (or entity) that creates an original work has the right to say what can and cannot be done with it.

Pretty simple.

Copyright law codifies that; those rights are protected by law and violating those rights - say by making copies of someone's work without their permission - is illegal.

Also pretty simple.

"Yes, it might be confusing at times (though most often it's not), and we might not agree with all the ramifications - I know I don't - but it is what it is."

Now, sometimes copyright can seem pretty silly.

For example, as I understand it, if I own a DVD of a movie, it is illegal for me to make a backup copy of that movie to protect my investment in the DVD, or for me to copy that movie to my laptop's hard disk as a convenience to watch elsewhere.

It's important to realize that copyright law didn't make that rule - the owners of the media did. Whoever owns the copyright on a particular original work decide what you're allowed to do, and in this case they said "no copies of any kind, period". OK then. Seems silly. But it is what it is.

Availability and Copyright

Let's clear up this point from the original question also: availability and copyright are unrelated.

Just because there may not be a legal way to get a copy of something does not magically remove copyright or copyright restrictions. In other words, copying copyrighted material without permission is illegal whether it's otherwise available or not.

That means if there's no legal way to get a copy then you can't get or make a copy without breaking the law. Period.

There's nothing that says it must be made available. Some things just aren't. If I choose to produce something in limited quantity, and then stop making it available that's my right. In fact, it might even be my intent.

Even if the copyright owner doesn't have the resources or inclination to make something of theirs available in a format you prefer, unless they say otherwise it's just not legal for you to make the copy yourself.

And yeah, sometimes that sucks. I agree that it sure would be nice if everything that used to be available on VHS tape was now available on DVD, but it's not. "Would be nice" means nothing - other than it would be nice.

Technology and Copyright

Technology is often used in an attempt to enforce copyright. "Copy protection" schemes are all over. The example in the question, known as Macrovision, is a technology used to prevent analog VHS tapes from being copied to other media. (There may be devices to circumvent it, but I'm not aware of them.)

Encryption is another technique, and you'll find that most DVDs and BlueRay disks have some form of copy protection using encryption.

As I understand it (insert my "not a lawyer" statement here again), just circumventing copy protection schemes my be illegal.

Here's a hard one to grasp: copyright and copy protection are technically unrelated.

Certainly if there's a copy protection scheme in place that's a pretty good sign that the copyright owner doesn't want that material copied and it's probably illegal to copy. But the copyright owner could - for reasons I can't envision - decide otherwise.

More importantly copyright does not require copy protection. Audio CDs, for example, are not encrypted, but they are still typically copyrighted and illegal to copy.

Downloads and Copyright

I was tempted to call this section "BitTorrent and Copyright", but that by itself would miss the point. BitTorrent is ultimately just a file copying program. Fairly nifty technology, but ultimately it's all just about copying files. Any technology that you use to download a file qualifies in this discussion.

The technology you use to download a file has no relationship to copyright. Yes, BitTorrent is used for a lot of, if not most, illegal file sharing. But BitTorrent isn't illegal, sharing copyrighted files without permission is - no matter how you download them.

The "problem", if you want to call it that, is that computers have made copying digital media trivial. Even in the case of VHS to DVD conversions there are relatively inexpensive devices that you can use to make those copies (though most respect the "Macrovision" copy protection scheme, so I don't know of a way around that).

On top of that the Internet and broadband connections have made transferring files almost as easy. It's really not that unrealistic any more for many people to download a 4.7gigabyte file.

All that makes downloading copyrighted material extremely easy.

So What's Copyrighted?

Knowing what is and is not copyrighted is both exceptionally simple, and really, really ugly.

The best rule of thumb is this: if it's too good to be true, it's probably an illegal download.

  • If you're downloading something so that you can get it for free when the other alternatives are to purchase it, then it's probably an illegal download.

  • If it's a movie you could buy or rent at Netflix, or one that was in the theater last year, last month or last week, it's probably an illegal download.

  • If it's music on a major record label that you're seeing in music videos, hearing on the radio, or is by a major well known popular artist, it's probably an illegal download.

  • If the site you're getting it from isn't a major retailer, endorsed by, supported by, or related to the artist or producer of the content and they're making a big deal out of it being "FREE!", it's probably an illegal download.

You can see where I'm going.

It's pretty simple really.

And yet, here's where it gets ugly.

There's a lot of stuff that is free. Media that is shared under what's called "Creative Commons" is free with varying degrees of usage limitations. Public domain is free. Individual and independent artists often make some or all of their works available for free for a variety of reasons - typically from their own sites. One great example: I've made my Internet Safety ebook free, and you can download it directly from my store. My other ebooks? Not free - and if you get them for free from anywhere that isn't my site, someone's ripping me off.

Sometimes it can be hard to tell - I get that. But what I find is that most people who are asking the question really already know the answer.

Yes, it might be confusing at times (though most often it's not), and we might not agree with all the ramifications - I know I don't - but it is what it is.

And let's face it - Avatar isn't going to be a free download any time soon.

A Note About Comments

Sadly copyright, copy protection and related topics are controversial, to say the least.

Knowing that, comments on this article will be monitored closely. Disrespectful comments will be deleted. Comments that boil down to "copyright sucks", "record companies suck", and the like will be deleted. Links to download sites will be deleted.

You get the idea.

On the other hand, if you have additional insight on the topic, I'd love to hear it.

Article C4432 - September 2, 2010

Leo Leo A. Notenboom has been playing with computers since he was required to take a programming class in 1976. An 18 year career as a programmer at Microsoft soon followed. After "retiring" in 2001, Leo started Ask Leo! in 2003 as a place for answers to common computer and technical questions. More about Leo.

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It was always my understanding that a true BACKUP copy is fair use and not a violation of copyright law. It becomes illegal when you use that backup for anything else other than a true backup copy, such as loaning to friends to watch or listen to or making copies for them. I could be wrong, as I am not a lawyer. It's probably a gray area and may not ever have been really challenged in court. The temptation to copy is great, as there are so many tools that permit it, even on copy-protected media. Perhaps better pricing on the part of the media companies would decrease that temptation? Other ways of distributing content could help as well. Also, seems to me that after "x" number of years, the copyright should go away if not renewed in some way, especially when it involves obsolete media.
After a certain number of years, some media should go into public domain, unless the copyright is renewed.

Posted by: David Hutchins at September 10, 2010 8:11 PM

First, like you, I am not a lawyer in any form. Second, as you've said, it is the right of the copyright owner to make or restrict availability as one chooses, without relinquishing copyright. Disney is highly noted for this.

Making copies, is a more confusing issue. Under copyright law in the U.S., an individual can make one copy of legally acquired content for archival purposes. That's plain and simple; you can make a backup for yourself so that you can use the backup and preserve the original.

What causes a problem is the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) which requires any digital recording device to recognize copy protection and refuse to record it. DMCA also makes it illegal to disable the recognition which, essentially, renders the ability to make an archival copy useless. But all is not lost.

There is a device called the Digital Video Stabilizer. There are a few companies which make it, and each uses a slightly different circuit design, but the effect is the same. During playback,it removes certain components of the video signal, such as composite sync. Macrovision protection happens to be located in the sync region. TV sync circuits don't see it and, so, TV is not affected. Recording devices do see it, which causes sync clamping problems, or distorted video. By removing and replacing the composite sync, copy protection has been removed. Sync is not copyrighted, and so no illegal act has occurred. The use of the Stabilizer is legal as it's nothing more than a Proc Amp, a device mandated for use in TV stations to comply with FCC regulations. Congressional hearings in the early 1990's established the legality of the Digital Video Stabilizer. And, lastly, DMCA has not been violated since the recognition circuitry of any recording device has not been disabled. Stabilizers are not available in stores, on the sole basis that there is not enough demand to warrant inventory. Catalog and online ordering through reputable companies is available, and the cost ranges from $25 - $40, plus probable shipping.

The drawback to such a device is that it's analog and must operate in real-time, which is naturally time-consuming. Also, even though minimal as can be, any electronic pass-thru does degrade resolution, however insignificantly. With VHS, the quality is so inherently poor that the device will not affect it at all.

The same method can be used to make a legal archival copy of a DVD, as well. Again, time and a minutely reduced resolution are the only drawbacks. The point, though, is that there is a legal method to create a copy of an otherwise unavailable video recording.

I might also mention that the simple act of downloading material is not illegal. What's illegal is making copyrighted material available for UPloading, which is the intent behind torrents. In RIAA lawsuits that make the big news, the media incorrectly reports that a defendant lost a case for downloading and must pay massive fines. In actuality, the defendant lost due to leaving the files on the network for uploading.

The same can be said for conspiracy or complicity to download copyrighted material. In order for conspiracy or complicity to exist, there must be deliberate planning and agreement between the supplier of the website and the downloader. A downloader has not planned the creation of the site, nor has agreed to any contract in downloading the material, even by default. Otherwise, every single computer user in the world is guilty of copyright infringement since the computer must download a copy of that site's page in order to view it.

Posted by: Mike at September 11, 2010 6:46 AM

Just had to respond to a comment saying many bands are loosing out on sales to the extent they don't make any money.
It is widely recognised, in the industry, NO bands EVER, make any money on their first two albums, as the record company seeks to recover ALL 'costs' before considering the artists miserly percentage.

A new artist would make more money freely distributing their creations on the internet, using their web page and advertising laxatives for left handed amoeba on Mars.

Posted by: col at September 13, 2010 7:44 PM

I've been in printing for nearly fifty years and copyrights have always been a source of confusion to many. As the printer, we can be sued right along with the author when copyrights are infringed. Thus we take extra measures to inform our customers of the issues involved and if we have any doubt at all about the status of material we are being asked to produce, we respectfully decline to print the job.

As far as what is found on the internet, it must be assumed that ALL content is covered by copyright unless there is a specific attached notice that the material has been placed in the public domain or may be reproduced under specific conditions. Any work that is "fixed in a tangible medium of expression" on or after January 1, 1978 is covered for the life of the author + 70 years -- you are not going to outlive it! Technically, that even makes forwarding an email from you mother on to your siblings illegal unless you have her written permission to do so!

Anything published before 1923 is in the public domain. Between then and 1978 it can be a nightmare figuring out if a work was originally copyrighted and by whom, and if so was it renewed. Then the next obstacle is trying to find and contact the copyright holder. In many cases, due to lack of factual information, it is best to just assume that it was copyrighted and the copyrights were renewed.

Privately, as a researcher and author I have been dismayed when my material and photos are copied and redistributed without my permission. Never mind that every printed copy has a notice and every web page has a copyright notice at both the top and bottom and most pictures also carry my individual copyright notice or a notice of my permission to publish the pictures provided by others. In most cases, if I am not selling the information in book or CD form, I am happy to give permission to use my information if credit is given to the source and the use is not for profit.

Posted by: Dennis at February 15, 2011 1:52 PM

Leo has done a good job of summarizing the issues.
Many of these issues are in limbo, some are settled.

In federal court, the 9th Circuit has stated that it "may be legal to own a backup of a DVD, but illegal to distribute the tools to make one." There are many legal scholars who believe making "a personal backup copy" is not exempt (i.e., it's illegal), as it has a material impact upon the market for valuable old works distributed in new media.

It is certainly not illegal to record anything "off the air", as was implied by another comment, provided it is only for private, personal use. That is one of the many exceptions in the current laws. Under the Audio Home Recording Act is also NOT illegal to make an "analog" recording from an existing recording that you own. If Congress had meant "digital" copying was also okay, it would have said so.

The validity of copyright of "Happy Birthday" is in dispute, having been published well before 1923 and perhaps not properly marked, registered or renewed. In any case, "performing" a copyrighted song in private (or in church) is not a copyright infringement -- another statutory exemption.

To reply to another comment: "The simple act of downloading copyrighted materials", if they were not legally uploaded, actually IS a copyright infringement. E.g., Virgin v. Thomas, Jury Instructions: "The act of downloading copyrighted sound recordings on a peer‐to‐peer network, without license from the copyright owners, violates the copyright owners’ exclusive reproduction right." It is, in actuality, making another unauthorized copy.

It's true that Thomas was found liable for $1.92M for "infringement" of 24 songs downloaded via Kazaa, but the case also alleged that she had further "shared" those songs on the net, making the verdict ambiguous as to whether the jury would have found the act of MERELY downloading to be an infringement.

Or maybe the jury simply didn't like her because of the evidence that she had repeatedly lied, and tampered with evidence in an effort to avoid being caught, and her having refused a $5,000 settlement offer.

Oddly, many of the best legal arguments were made that her "making them available on the net" was not legally an infringement because it did not constitute prohibited "publication or distribution" of any copies. Success in that argument could mean the music and movie lawyers would stop pursuing uploaders and refocus on downloaders who actually make the unauthorized copies.

Posted by: B-Retired at March 17, 2011 10:45 AM
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