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Summary: Relying on a Recycle Bin could be a costly mistake. Particularly when USB and other removable drives may, or may not, even have a recycle bin.
As you've found out, there's not always a recycle bin. In fact, in my experience, occasionally there is, but it's not used. It's quite confusing, and somewhat surprising, but the recycle bin seems to be used inconsistently across versions of Windows, at least when it comes to what Windows considers to be a "removable" device. • Here's the intent, as I understand it: Drives that are considered "removable" - like your USB Pen Drive - should not have recycle bins at all. If you still have a floppy drive, that falls into this same category. And in fact, I think we can "blame" the floppy for this behavior. I believe the reason that there's no recycle bin has to do with the assumption that removable drives are typically going to be too small to hold them. Drives accessed over a network also don't use a recycle bin, but I believe that's due to network performance, among some other issues. Now I did say this gets confusing, and here are a couple of reasons why: "The recycle bin is not intended to be a
temporary storage location, and you shouldn't treat it like one."
The actual folder containing the recycle bin can have different names, depending on the filesystem used and the version of Windows you run:
And, from what I can tell, the different operating systems also treat the concept of "removable" slightly differently than strictly "removable". My 32gig USB thumbdrive has no Recycle Bin, but my 250gig external USB drive does. In fact, since I move that external hard drive from system to system, it has both "\RECYCLER" as well as "\$Recycle.Bin". Both are removable USB drives - one gets a recycle bin, the other does not. I can only assume that it's somehow also related to the size of the drive. What to do? Well, one piece of advice I can certainly give you: don't rely on recycle bin. The recycle bin is not intended to be a temporary storage location, and you shouldn't treat it like one. Assume that deleting a file really means that the file will be deleted, permanently and forever. In other words, whenever you delete, make sure that you mean it. The recycle bin is only a safety net, and as we've seen you may not be able to count on it always being there for USB and other Removable drives. The good news about USB drives is that they are treated as just that: disk drives. That means that when you do delete a file and there's no recycle bin to save you, you may still have a few options. When that happens:
One of the ways that a USB device often differs from a true hard drive is if it's based on flash memory, as most USB thumbdrives are. In cases like these, even the forensic techniques used to recover data that might have been overwritten on magnetic material like hard drives will fail. The reason is simple: flash drives are solid state, there's no magnetic material. Bottom line: only hit delete when you mean it. Oh, and backup often. That's the other way to recover deleted files: if they've been backed up elsewhere before they were deleted. In most cases, that's the best precaution of all. Related:
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thank you so much for the info on the NTFS filesystem usb drives-I got my info back! now to back up often...thank you!!!
Posted by: Miche at September 21, 2008 3:15 PMThanks Leo for your response.
Posted by: Kenneth Crook at September 21, 2008 8:55 PMAs always, backup, backup, backup.
Also, THINK before deleting.
I think the difference between a USB "flash drive" and an external hard drive connected via USB is simply just the drivers required, and Windows picks up on this when deciding to have a Recycle Bin or not.
So I think Windows' checker is basically looking to see if the drive's memory is solid state (IE flash memory) or magnetic (IE a hard disk). A way to test this would be to try and find an ancient 4 gig hard disk and put it in a USB enclosure, to see if Windows gives it a Recycle Bin.
Posted by: RJ at September 22, 2008 9:38 AMThough correct me if I'm wrong, but you can also force Windows to give a flash drive a recycle bin even if it doesn't give it one automatically, right?
> My 32gig USB thumbdrive has no Recycle Bin,
> but my 250gig external USB drive does.
I bet your 32gig USB thumbdrive is FAT32.
I'll also bet your 250gig external USB drive is NTFS.
Perhaps the FAT32 vs NTFS has something to do with whether a Recycle Bin is present or not?
Posted by: DT at September 23, 2008 8:25 AMI think its good to make sure that you are doing the right thing before you decide to delete in order to avoid the hassle of recovery.
Posted by: Kingsley at September 23, 2008 10:06 AMVery important to note:
Posted by: Howard Rubin at September 23, 2008 4:06 PMIf your USB pen drive HAS a recycle bin directory you are most likely infected with a virus or trojan. A quick confirmation of this would be to insert another pen drive and see if the directory is instantly created! The directory will be hiding a trojan (if you are lucky to be able to see this hidden file) and you most likely will have a autorun.inf in the root of the drive referencing the file. The only sure way I know of cleaning this trojan / virus is to boot from a boot DVD or CD with a good AV and trojan cleaner. Check all your drives carefully and don't put your USB drives in any other machine (Pen and hard drives) till they have been cleaned.
I"ve had the same problem with having deleted without doing on purpose, the way I found easy to recover was to install a PROGRAM on my pc which is called CARD RECOVERY and best of all FREE to download
Enjoy
Posted by: Lucille at October 2, 2008 9:41 AMthe best way before u delete a file is to move it into the computer ur using to see the files and than decide if u want to delete it or not...than u can delete it from the recycle bin if u really sure u want to delete the file
Posted by: shay at October 14, 2008 12:44 PM